Religion

[Avi]

This isn't really a rant, but since we opened the "Religion" topic a few pages back I figured I'd ask this here.

How come all of these people that tell me that I should join their religion so that I can find Jesus, save my soul, etc. etc. etc...aren't Jewish like Jesus was?

How come Judaism was good enough for their savior, but yet they're a Catholic or a Mormon or a member of the Church Of Latter Day Saints? Wouldn't you want to practice the same religion as the person that you are worshiping? In every other religion, the followers practice the same rituals, holy days, and so on as the person they are celebrating. Jesus is the only holy figure that has a different religion than the majority of people that worship him.

To answer the question, "What Would Jesus Do?", the answer is simple: He would wear a yarmulke and eat Kosher foods.

[SweatyPyro]

However it's just that some of his fellow Jews didn't like what they were hearing, and well, yea. I guess they find to necessary to preach his words and teachings but with some of the older Jewish things like the Old Testament.


And seeing as we humans are pretty narrow minded, that explains a thousand churches of nearly the same thing.

[data_ghost]

dont mean to offend anyone christian but there are a lot of stuff about jesus that confuse me. he said he was a jew the whole time so why is he christian?

and to add to what jesus would do, he'd ask why hes 2000 years in the future and not understand a word your saying either

[drDavis]

This isn't really a rant, but since we opened the "Religion" topic a few pages back I figured I'd ask this here.

How come all of these people that tell me that I should join their religion so that I can find Jesus,...

I don't think he is lost, I think he is hiding from those people.

[Avi]

A drunk is walking home one Sunday morning after an all-nighter at a local bar. He takes a shortcut through the woods and comes across a church service on the bank of a river. The preacher spots the drunk and asks him if he's found Jesus.

"No I haven't," replies the drunk.

The preacher walks over to him, takes his hand, and leads him into the water. He takes the man by the back of the head and dunks his head into the cold waters of the river, giving him an impromptu baptism.

As he lifts the man's head, he asks "Sir, have you found Jesus?"

"No, I..."

DUNK!

He lifts the man's head out of the water again.

"Sir, have you found Jesus?!?!"

"NO!", shouts the drunk. "Are you sure this is where he fell in?"

[SweatyPyro]

dont mean to offend anyone christian but there are a lot of stuff about jesus that confuse me. he said he was a jew the whole time so why is he christian?

and to add to what jesus would do, he'd ask why hes 2000 years in the future and not understand a word your saying either

He wasn't at all Christian; he was born, raise, and died Jewish.

Well, if Jesus was the Son of God with his powers, I'd think he'd be a bit less confused. That's just my beliefs at play.

[Jademz]

How come all of these people that tell me that I should join their religion so that I can find Jesus, save my soul, etc. etc. etc...aren't Jewish like Jesus was?

And why not? The survival of many early man was situated in a way that there is a better way to survive the elements and remain faithful to their kinship, they were learning how to follow laws handed down as rules of survival which are believed to be divine practices imposed upon man, our cooperation was to protect those who stayed in line.

Some may believe these mere superstitions, were only misunderstandings, but it was science, they had to make or break the environment somehow, and most were to respect God and his chosen followers to give them guidance in keeping their children safe, and learn how to be better than the next guy. Sounds simple right?

How come Judaism was good enough for their savior, but yet they're a Catholic or a Mormon or a member of the Church Of Latter Day Saints?

I think the statement I made helps this question, but the answer is simple. Judaism fundamentally follows the old law, provided by God through Moses. Some orthodox, or greek orthodox (from my recollection) believe in mysticism, and some believe this was what the jews hated about Jesus. That he was a serious phonemenon, whom brought many beliefs and reorganized the law to fit into a narrow way of thinking, while there is nothing simple in respect to that practice, he was and is a extraordinary person, whom many people tried to accustom their own ways around, thus you see a follower being christ like, or christian.

The reasons he was brought up as such is simple, the jews had prophets who made predictions that he fulfilled in a extremely fine, narrow timeline, chronology, geneology, and reguarded in what is the finest areas of science in the history of man, not just superstitions broadly spreading a mutated forms of communism, and lies intended to control their armies, and what you ought to do, ect.

His shoes were to fill that of countless numbers of prophesies. Every 14th generation first born male jew was a super prophet, and was expected to be. His lineage was special, because he was to be more than that. His was Messiah. From Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, each a 14th generation first born. That lineage stopped at Jesus. Thus the debate of his namesake, and prophetic relevance in many belief systems during and still present from that day.

He was to make the new law from prophesies passed down by these men, from their beliefs and understanding that God made for them.
Prophesies stating how to atonement for sins, and giving all equality before God was unheard of to those believing the old law.
He was said to have no children, that's why those believing he wasn't immaculately conceived, but rather not truely the man he was, they wouldn't have him be the man he was, even though the law of the prophets said he is. Every take on the beliefs were debated. He was more than their philosophy would allow, so much a melting pot, he turned their superstitions into folklore, and malicious misstatements fabricated to steal from God's followers.

Thus The his followers believe in christ- the man made by God to keep them in-line with the old and the new law. Some take different interpretations as truth, and believe other prophets, which is what we have today, but there is alot of commonalities from which the majority of these belief systems draw from, and that is across nearly all religion, a certain way to achieve a similar method to survive.

Wouldn't you want to practice the same religion as the person that you are worshiping? In every other religion, the followers practice the same rituals, holy days, and so on as the person they are celebrating. Jesus is the only holy figure that has a different religion than the majority of people that worship him.

He may have helped align a huge melting pot of religious beliefs, in order to define the people of God. The jewish carpenter was making the kings throne as a child after all.

To answer the question, "What Would Jesus Do?", the answer is simple: He would wear a yarmulke and eat Kosher foods.

I hope I helped put your perspective on where the lines are drawn in this debate.

[Avi]

That was a pretty concise explanation, Jademz. I'm not quite ready to drop my lifestyle and start carrying a Bible yet, but a few of my other questions were answered, and I even learned a few things I didn't know about.

I have a view of Christianity that doesn't fit any religion out there...it's bits and pieces of different things that I learned from studying other religions, and there are certain parallels that are never disputed between them. Those are the things that I believe in, not the fluff in between all of the hard facts. I won't go into detail about my true beliefs here, as it will cause some to brand me a heathen, some to call me a holy roller, and some to call me a fool...although I am possibly all three.

I'll call my personal religion "Avianity", start a church, and have my own TV show on cable access. 8)

[data_ghost]

pffft with all this 'try and make people join your religion' stuff going round is starting to become like each religion is a football team or something. which im ok with, so long as they dont turn into the football (sorry SOCCER) fans we have over here,
honestly, the last person to go to an Manchester City away match to Manchester United was found in a suitcase sliced into 23 equal parts.

[Jademz]

pffft with all this 'try and make people join your religion' stuff going round is starting to become like each religion is a football team or something.

I would never try to convince individuals who never met the prophet, that concern themselves against said religion, unless the dialogue clearly provokes a reason. Or basing a real idea upon that reason unless the cause proves Godlike intervention, which I could interpret as common blessing, or whatnot.

Those who work on this stuff who make alot of reasons to waste my time make my beliefs look like a kmart blue light special. I don't even go to church anymore due to that reason, dont waste my time.

honestly, the last person to go to an Manchester City away match to Manchester United was found in a suitcase sliced into 23 equal parts.

lol. the skill should speak to the fans, not the death of said skill.

[SweatyPyro]

Anybody for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Avi]

Anybody for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Sure, why the hell not? The more, the merrier.

[SweatyPyro]

I'm considering purchasing their bible some time.

[data_ghost]

't also has the advantage of being edible too if your feeling peckish,
unless such stuff would be considered blasphemy

[Avi]

Ford Dealership to Non-Christians: STFU!

http://bligbi.com/2008/05/27/ford-deale ... ians-stfu/